Internal mode or Host mode?
Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 7:52 am
Now this is a question of faith
I would be interested to know what the D16 developper think of this:
There is a wide spreaded believe that harware units like MPC 60 or TR808/909 have a "better" timing than software in the sense that they would have something "special" that makes them better "groove" than software within a host.
Here some of the most commonly founded reasons:
. a more solid Midi Timing for Midi units or an other kind of synchronisation resolution for non-midi units
. some others say the contrary and praise some subtle irregularities in hardware Midi-Timing
. some others attribute the magic to special swing/shuffle/quantizing settings
. some others to the fact that the sounds are better optimized for grooving (length of the sound, filtering ...)
From my own experience with hardware sequencer, I still have a Sequential Circuit Drumtraks that I used a lot in the past.
It is a completely sample based Drum sequencer (like the little sister of the LinnDrum).
I had several times to transfer songs made with this unit to software and so I had to compare.
I always had and still have the feeling that the Midi-Timing of the Drumtracks is more regular, as if there would be almost no irregularity.
BTW I always used in the past the Drumtracks as master and the Midi host was synced to the Drumtracks through a special sync signal.
I founded a timing difference when I midi-triggered the sounds from the host.
To my view, tweaking the sound (decay) and the combination of sounds makes indeed a huge difference for the groove.
I guess this is the reason why FX like CamelSpace can quickly transform an absolutely rigid drum pattern to something grooving a lot.
Here are my questions to the D16 developpers:
I would like to know if from the developper point of view, it makes a difference triggering from the host or using the internal sequencer?
And if yes, does it have to do with some of the things mentioned above?
How would you compare the timing / grooving behaviour of Drumazon/Nepheton/Phoscyon in these three situations:
1. Internal sequencer, internal sync
2. Internal Sequencer, external sync
3. Host mode
Personally I hear no differences between these three modes.
Best regards
I would be interested to know what the D16 developper think of this:
There is a wide spreaded believe that harware units like MPC 60 or TR808/909 have a "better" timing than software in the sense that they would have something "special" that makes them better "groove" than software within a host.
Here some of the most commonly founded reasons:
. a more solid Midi Timing for Midi units or an other kind of synchronisation resolution for non-midi units
. some others say the contrary and praise some subtle irregularities in hardware Midi-Timing
. some others attribute the magic to special swing/shuffle/quantizing settings
. some others to the fact that the sounds are better optimized for grooving (length of the sound, filtering ...)
From my own experience with hardware sequencer, I still have a Sequential Circuit Drumtraks that I used a lot in the past.
It is a completely sample based Drum sequencer (like the little sister of the LinnDrum).
I had several times to transfer songs made with this unit to software and so I had to compare.
I always had and still have the feeling that the Midi-Timing of the Drumtracks is more regular, as if there would be almost no irregularity.
BTW I always used in the past the Drumtracks as master and the Midi host was synced to the Drumtracks through a special sync signal.
I founded a timing difference when I midi-triggered the sounds from the host.
To my view, tweaking the sound (decay) and the combination of sounds makes indeed a huge difference for the groove.
I guess this is the reason why FX like CamelSpace can quickly transform an absolutely rigid drum pattern to something grooving a lot.
Here are my questions to the D16 developpers:
I would like to know if from the developper point of view, it makes a difference triggering from the host or using the internal sequencer?
And if yes, does it have to do with some of the things mentioned above?
How would you compare the timing / grooving behaviour of Drumazon/Nepheton/Phoscyon in these three situations:
1. Internal sequencer, internal sync
2. Internal Sequencer, external sync
3. Host mode
Personally I hear no differences between these three modes.
Best regards