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Why 2 level programming?

Posted: Wed Dec 16, 2009 12:48 am
by Puranon
Why does Nepheton have the 2 level volume programming from the TR 909?

Posted: Wed Dec 16, 2009 10:24 am
by Sebastian@d16
Hi,

Why not? :)

Best regards,
Sebastian

Posted: Wed Dec 16, 2009 11:17 am
by LiquidProj3ct
Talking about this. I was a Rebirth user and I loved the fact that with diferent combinations of keyboards you can write/delete normal steps, accented steps and flam steps. That was really quick.

Maybe you could do the same in all your DrumMachines, keeping the normal behavior. As example Ctrl+Click add normal steps (or change any step to normal step, except a normal step that would be deleted), Alt+Click would add accent steps, and Shift+Click flam stem in Drumazon.

Best regards

Posted: Wed Dec 16, 2009 11:42 am
by Sebastian@d16
Hi,

Yes. This definitely sounds like an idea for speed up editing.

Best regards,
Sebastian

Posted: Thu Dec 17, 2009 9:57 am
by Puranon
Sebastian@d16 wrote:Hi,

Yes. This definitely sounds like an idea for speed up editing.

Best regards,
Sebastian
It should be 1 click on/off for fast editing just the way the 808 works. Holding ctrl can give that 2 level accent editing Drumazon has.

Posted: Thu Dec 17, 2009 12:01 pm
by Sebastian@d16
Hi,

Agree that original 808 has only global accent, 909 has two kinds of accent; global and per step. We thought it's nice to have two kinds of accent in 808 too.

Best regards,
Sebastian

Posted: Thu Dec 17, 2009 5:05 pm
by Puranon
The easiest thing might be an preference.

Posted: Thu Dec 17, 2009 9:02 pm
by Puranon
I find the output of Nepheton extra low when using non-accented patterns. Even with the Master volume to max and all the individual instrument volumes at unity, the output is still very low. At least -12db too quiet.

I'm starting to wonder if the accented double volume click is the real 808 level and the single click volume is the d16 mod.

Posted: Sun Jan 10, 2010 7:39 pm
by Puranon
The Accented level is what the Normal volume should be. Its a pain to click every step twice just to get normal output level.

Please reverse it so we only get the soft level when holding CTRL.

Re: Why 2 level programming?

Posted: Fri Mar 05, 2010 9:35 am
by Battery Acid
I noticed that nephethon isn't 'loud' ... but it's been easy to get the gain up. Without knowing much about programming, for the sake of fidelity I'll happily accept lower volume - if that's what the reasoning boils down to. More headroom for processing ?

*shrug*

as for two level data entry, i think if it's going to be multiple clicks the lower volume should be first and the accent second.


all the best!

Re: Why 2 level programming?

Posted: Tue Aug 31, 2010 12:51 pm
by vic_france
Hi,
(just joined the Nepheton "club" :) )
I am really enjoying this instrument. I do agree, however, that the general output level is surprisingly low (I agree with Puranon, that an extra 12db would be just about right, to keep it at a similar level as my other VST instruments).
Maybe a parameter in Options? (Output level 0 /+6 / +12db). It's no problem to increase gain manually when just using a single stereo output, but if one prefers to use multiple mono outs, that's several more setup steps necessary.
I am still very much "experimenting" with Nepheton at the moment (it is many years since I had my hands on a "real" 808), but it does certainly remind me of those good ol' days! ;).
I realize that "authenticity" is an important part of the Nepheton concept, but we are, generally, so used to virtual instruments nowadays, that we look for features that were never in the original.
(I was wanting to play it "live" (i.e. play "fills"), while the internal sequencer was running.. unfortunately not possible.
So, I simply loaded a 2nd instance of Nepheton, set to "external".... great fun! :D )

Re: Why 2 level programming?

Posted: Wed Sep 01, 2010 10:18 am
by Sebastian@d16
Hi,

It's possible to use "fills" like in real 808, you need to use Nepheton in native mode (take a look at manual) :)

In native mode, parts (a/b) and fills are active. There's even autofill that triggers filling pattern periodically.

Cheers,
Sebastian

Re: Why 2 level programming?

Posted: Wed Sep 01, 2010 1:05 pm
by vic_france
Sebastian@d16 wrote: It's possible to use "fills" like in real 808, you need to use Nepheton in native mode (take a look at manual) :)
Hi Sebastian,
Yes, I know ;)
But I was talking about overdubbing fills and spontaneous accents in realtime, "on the fly" :)

Re: Why 2 level programming?

Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2010 9:14 am
by Sebastian@d16
Hi,

Hmm, then host mode would be more suitable for this, but it requires perfect timing from a user if he wants to trigger patterns in time (by midi notes from a keyboard) :) or to use
on fly quantization in a host application.

Best regards,
Sebastian

Re: Why 2 level programming?

Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2010 4:45 pm
by Puranon
In version 2 we should be able to use live MIDI input to program the internal step sequencer.