Why 2 level programming?

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Why 2 level programming?

Postby Puranon » Wed Dec 16, 2009 12:48 am

Why does Nepheton have the 2 level volume programming from the TR 909?
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Postby Sebastian@d16 » Wed Dec 16, 2009 10:24 am

Hi,

Why not? :)

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Postby LiquidProj3ct » Wed Dec 16, 2009 11:17 am

Talking about this. I was a Rebirth user and I loved the fact that with diferent combinations of keyboards you can write/delete normal steps, accented steps and flam steps. That was really quick.

Maybe you could do the same in all your DrumMachines, keeping the normal behavior. As example Ctrl+Click add normal steps (or change any step to normal step, except a normal step that would be deleted), Alt+Click would add accent steps, and Shift+Click flam stem in Drumazon.

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Postby Sebastian@d16 » Wed Dec 16, 2009 11:42 am

Hi,

Yes. This definitely sounds like an idea for speed up editing.

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Postby Puranon » Thu Dec 17, 2009 9:57 am

Sebastian@d16 wrote:Hi,

Yes. This definitely sounds like an idea for speed up editing.

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It should be 1 click on/off for fast editing just the way the 808 works. Holding ctrl can give that 2 level accent editing Drumazon has.
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Postby Sebastian@d16 » Thu Dec 17, 2009 12:01 pm

Hi,

Agree that original 808 has only global accent, 909 has two kinds of accent; global and per step. We thought it's nice to have two kinds of accent in 808 too.

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Postby Puranon » Thu Dec 17, 2009 5:05 pm

The easiest thing might be an preference.
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Postby Puranon » Thu Dec 17, 2009 9:02 pm

I find the output of Nepheton extra low when using non-accented patterns. Even with the Master volume to max and all the individual instrument volumes at unity, the output is still very low. At least -12db too quiet.

I'm starting to wonder if the accented double volume click is the real 808 level and the single click volume is the d16 mod.
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Postby Puranon » Sun Jan 10, 2010 7:39 pm

The Accented level is what the Normal volume should be. Its a pain to click every step twice just to get normal output level.

Please reverse it so we only get the soft level when holding CTRL.
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Re: Why 2 level programming?

Postby Battery Acid » Fri Mar 05, 2010 9:35 am

I noticed that nephethon isn't 'loud' ... but it's been easy to get the gain up. Without knowing much about programming, for the sake of fidelity I'll happily accept lower volume - if that's what the reasoning boils down to. More headroom for processing ?

*shrug*

as for two level data entry, i think if it's going to be multiple clicks the lower volume should be first and the accent second.


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Re: Why 2 level programming?

Postby vic_france » Tue Aug 31, 2010 12:51 pm

Hi,
(just joined the Nepheton "club" :) )
I am really enjoying this instrument. I do agree, however, that the general output level is surprisingly low (I agree with Puranon, that an extra 12db would be just about right, to keep it at a similar level as my other VST instruments).
Maybe a parameter in Options? (Output level 0 /+6 / +12db). It's no problem to increase gain manually when just using a single stereo output, but if one prefers to use multiple mono outs, that's several more setup steps necessary.
I am still very much "experimenting" with Nepheton at the moment (it is many years since I had my hands on a "real" 808), but it does certainly remind me of those good ol' days! ;).
I realize that "authenticity" is an important part of the Nepheton concept, but we are, generally, so used to virtual instruments nowadays, that we look for features that were never in the original.
(I was wanting to play it "live" (i.e. play "fills"), while the internal sequencer was running.. unfortunately not possible.
So, I simply loaded a 2nd instance of Nepheton, set to "external".... great fun! :D )
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Re: Why 2 level programming?

Postby Sebastian@d16 » Wed Sep 01, 2010 10:18 am

Hi,

It's possible to use "fills" like in real 808, you need to use Nepheton in native mode (take a look at manual) :)

In native mode, parts (a/b) and fills are active. There's even autofill that triggers filling pattern periodically.

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Re: Why 2 level programming?

Postby vic_france » Wed Sep 01, 2010 1:05 pm

Sebastian@d16 wrote:It's possible to use "fills" like in real 808, you need to use Nepheton in native mode (take a look at manual) :)

Hi Sebastian,
Yes, I know ;)
But I was talking about overdubbing fills and spontaneous accents in realtime, "on the fly" :)
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Re: Why 2 level programming?

Postby Sebastian@d16 » Thu Sep 02, 2010 9:14 am

Hi,

Hmm, then host mode would be more suitable for this, but it requires perfect timing from a user if he wants to trigger patterns in time (by midi notes from a keyboard) :) or to use
on fly quantization in a host application.

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Re: Why 2 level programming?

Postby Puranon » Thu Sep 02, 2010 4:45 pm

In version 2 we should be able to use live MIDI input to program the internal step sequencer.
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