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Drumazon outputs settings

Posted: Thu Dec 14, 2006 2:02 pm
by Przemek@d16
As we have received many different requests about Drumazon outputs settings I have a question for all of you how do you want this matter should be done?

Please write what do you think should be the best standing from your personal point of view, favourite host etc.

If we got many different concurent opinions we can also solve this in the way that you will have ini.xml file with Drumazon config and you will be able to specify in it your choosen outputs config.

Cheers,
Przemek

Posted: Thu Dec 14, 2006 2:48 pm
by Motiatronix
Sorry guys that 1st vote should have been for main stereo out/11 stereo outs.I must have hit the wrong choice.Thanks for correcting.

Posted: Thu Dec 14, 2006 3:45 pm
by usrfobiwan
Hmm maybe it is better to make it like the real thing...

11 mono outs

1 Stereo main (output to here if mono "instrument" output is not used)

Posted: Fri Dec 15, 2006 8:55 am
by drt
usrfobiwan is right.

one Main stereo output for the first output.
And other mono outputs

Posted: Fri Dec 15, 2006 2:30 pm
by uber909
I agree with usrfobiwan:

1 stereo main out.
11 individual mono outs.

:wink:

Yes!

Posted: Fri Dec 15, 2006 3:01 pm
by oxident
I also agree, make it "original" :)

Re: Yes!

Posted: Fri Dec 15, 2006 5:16 pm
by rktic
oxident wrote:I also agree, make it "original" :)
While it's not much of a problem in the hardware studio to work with stereo effects on mono tracks, there's a fair amount of trouble with stereo fx on mono instruments in the VST world.

No please - for the sake of compability and host conformity, make the outs stereo!

ronny

ps: i'd rather love to see the summed output saturated 909 style, when everything gets out there. if that hasn't been done already...

Posted: Fri Dec 15, 2006 5:32 pm
by Motiatronix
rktic wrote:
While it's not much of a problem in the hardware studio to work with stereo effects on mono tracks, there's a fair amount of trouble with stereo fx on mono instruments in the VST world.
Exactly!...not to mention near 25 year old hardware would have been very expensive for all the extra outputs back then....but 25 year old spec in the 21st century virtual world ironically where most Fx are stereo and very few have mono versions so a lot of mucking about...it would be a bit of a pain in the butt.

Posted: Fri Dec 15, 2006 7:48 pm
by usrfobiwan
The stereo output on the TR-909 is in fact dual mono. (perhaps with a 5ms delay on the right channel maybe)

There are no stereo instruments. Trumpets, digeridoo's, violins, snare drums, piano's, and all other instruments are mono.

A real drumkit is a combination of mono instuments places allong the line from the left speaker to the right speaker. Each instrument of the set has a dedicated (mono) mic placed along, above, inside etc.

Effect are not stereo either, all effects are mono. If you put a reverb on left and right channel, and close the right channel you still hear reverb on the left channel. The creation of stereo is only a delay or a slight shift in sound.

If you make all channels stereo you cant place instruments anymore from left to right, you also cant place fx along the same line.

Posted: Sat Dec 16, 2006 12:51 am
by rktic
usrfobiwan wrote:There are no stereo instruments. Trumpets, digeridoo's, violins, snare drums, piano's, and all other instruments are mono.

A real drumkit is a combination of mono instuments places allong the line from the left speaker to the right speaker. Each instrument of the set has a dedicated (mono) mic placed along, above, inside etc.

(I'm already sorry for getting OT and probably spawning a rather unwanted side discussion...)

I honor that you have a longtime experience with slaughtering 909s for making hardcore, gabba etc - but eh - you should really reconsider above... Acoustic instruments and mono or stereo have as much to do with each other as, err, i don't know. Or would you say that you're able to catch the entire sound of an acoustic instrument (a piano) with a single microphone?

I regard that seriously whack (where you drunk when writing that :) ?)

Acoustic instruments and that terminology have nothing to do with each other - different layers of reality.

[/end of OT]



Back to topic.

In the VST world all kinds of ugly things may happen when feeding a mono signal (and that's quite easy to determine in the virtual world - it's either or) into a stereo processing plugin. It could for example switch off the right channel, the stereo fx could jump into mono processing and output a mono signal etcetcpp...

It's just a bad idea.

Ronny

Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2006 12:11 am
by Przemek@d16
So we made it with Master Stereo output and all 11 instruments' stereo outputs just to avoid any possible troubles as it seems to be in Stereo+11Mono config.

But if we got some requests after releasing to make it user defined we'll do such a possibility and then everybody will be able to make own output settings in configuration file.

Cheers,
Przemek

Posted: Wed Dec 27, 2006 10:29 am
by Aquarius
Hi,

Let's wait untill v1.1 but we should definitively have the choice to assign mono or stereo outputs as we see fit.
And...don't forget to also include the "Tap" button :D but most of all :

HAPPY HOLIDAYS AND MERRY XMAS !!!

Vote...

Posted: Sat Jan 06, 2007 11:18 pm
by neoscully
Mono out for every sound and Master stereo out.
Than we should be able to assign a Pan to the single sounds as well...

Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2007 11:37 pm
by ozorg
in cubase sx3 you can turn a stereo bus into mono bus by using the "Stereo Dual Panner". just slide L+R to <c> .

Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 9:59 am
by Shy
I personally don't care for a master stereo output at all and think it just creates a mess. I think grouping channels should be left to the host, and any quarter decent host supports group channels.
As for stereo or mono, I definitely say stereo is a must. And maybe a stereo/mono switch for each channel would be good.